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i'll dive in because uh we still have

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never actually discussed how to

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introduce the beginning of this show

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so i feel like every time we do it it's

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just a mess but hello

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everyone and welcome to another episode

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of

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the punk rocker moonstopper program uh i

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thanks for thanks for joining us thanks

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for hanging out guys this is always fun

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we have no idea what we're doing and

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that's what makes it fun

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yeah yes this is our little baby of

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we want to hang out we want to drink and

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we live in separate states

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so we do it on the internet and then you

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can all hang out with us because we've

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decided we're so fun

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yep basically and we drag people along

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with us

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and today we have the first uh

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first person we dragged along for this

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weird journey with us since

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our reviving our little baby here and

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the person joining us today

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is our friend dale hendrickson dale

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thank you for hanging out with us hey

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you're drinking before you're allowed

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you just broke one of the rules of the

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oh i'm a novice

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that's all right you are you are allowed

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you haven't been on the show before you

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don't know the rules i happen to haven't

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haven't described them to you yet

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but we don't have many rules on here we

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kind of make them up as we go

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but big rule is we have to introduce

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what we're drinking

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and then when our drinks run out the

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show's over

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we have two rules and they are

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booze-based that sounds about right it's

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a booze-based show i mean

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yeah that's very true yeah all right and

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we'll pick it up what are you drinking

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the bar yeah uh today i am drinking one

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of my favorites i know it's

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november but i'm drinking my favorite

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summer beer which is the modern times

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tropical fruit for the fruitlands the

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tropical fruit goes

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and i picked it today because a it's in

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my fridge and delicious

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oh um so that's my tie-in to the show

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because usually i try to drink like a

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spacey beer or something but uh we

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thing so that was it but yeah i'm

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sweet love it that's one of my favorite

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modern times for sure

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yeah yeah dale how about you buddy what

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your artist's secret weapon for for

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like three in the morning i'm like what

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this place is closing already yeah you

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are you are the worst

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to go to vegas with my friend because as

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so yeah we're usually like hanging onto

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it's like what are you doing sit at one

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vegas come on

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do blackjack then it's cool then you get

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your drinks free there too

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i'm so glad i helped educate you guys

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you did you did it

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and i've passed this on to other people

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i feel like your knowledge is just

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spreading throughout the world and

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helping everyone

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enjoy vegas a little bit more

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very one day soon we'll all be able to

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do that again i hope

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there you go i can't wait well amy i am

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wow it's called alien radio

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i thought that was perfect for our

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which i don't understand how a double

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ipa which i enjoy and i love modern

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so that's what i've got today yeah

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that's perfect

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by the way these guys covered a new

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modern times distant cheers guys

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cheers you just discovered new modern

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modern times slash dankness

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name like that you got to go right

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but um yeah they got a second location

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smelled got your friend we'll definitely

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modern times as a brewery but uh yeah

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their restaurants as well are amazing

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today but modern times their their their

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is vegan and uh so that's always fun you

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you just tried to be awesome i love it

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which aren't interviews they're friendly

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um put money we try not you pat away we

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know you have other interests

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so we'll get into that but first let's

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the awesomeness that is you you are

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you are a a creative genius and

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you have spent your career in in

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an overbite now

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uh yes we have both been given our

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i was just thinking i should have had

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that jewel jason you have mine so you

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can show how awesome it is of the

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photos yes i can tell you i absolutely

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that dry it is fantastic and it makes me

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yeah thank you well you're so welcome

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have so many questions

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but i i know we don't want to to talk

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and that that's not

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certainly not where your career started

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but yeah i want to point out

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no but it feels like it it feels like it

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because

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when i started on the simpsons i

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literally was on

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some of the worst half-hour animated

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shows

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at the time was like the industry was

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dying or something

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and i feel like god i just got my start

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i'm going and now

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this job it was over at a studio called

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dic and we were doing uh

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something like it was a takeoff of

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barbie

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they're trying to like do something like

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a fashion doll

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animated show fantastic idea

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so i was like hmm well there's a

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paycheck but uh

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this can't possibly last too long and of

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course it didn't

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and then i was like what do i do and

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then somebody told me there's i just

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heard there's this weird little studio

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doing this weird little cartoon they

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said they were looking for somebody so

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run down there and check it out so i did

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and um they kind of uh they

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looked at my portfolio which had nothing

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in it that resembled what they were

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doing and they

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said you're hired so i was like the

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first

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hire to do the half hour show because

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they'd just gotten a green light to

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actually do a half hour

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and they almost lost that because the

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first episode that was created

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the full half hour episode was so bad

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the network was like

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this isn't like what we thought we

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bought and uh

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so i got a call you're hired then i got

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a call like no wait sorry there's a

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problem

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so the second episode while was in

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production

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being done by the two main guys uh

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david silverman and wes archer who had

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done a lot of the tracy allman shorts

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with

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the show is based on uh they did the

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second episode and it was phenomenal and

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the networks were like yay we like that

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so it was like oh okay you are hired now

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this is my my brain is is not

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remembering what was the second episode

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i remember hearing that the first

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the pilot episode was not super well

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received

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um yeah and i know i mean i'm a

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yeah i'm a i'm a devoted simpsons fan

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especially the first like eight or nine

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seasons

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and i just think you know how it

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positioned in the landscape of pop

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culture is so interesting

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what was the second episode that kind of

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won everyone over why i'm

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not remembering the order um bart

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gets an f or bar yes yeah

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i think that's something that's an f i

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think yeah yeah yeah

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that was it and amy i will point out

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um i don't know if you're trying to kiss

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kiss ass here but uh

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dale was was with the show for seasons

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what one through nine

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before you left for a while seven one

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through seven so that's why you like

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seasons one through seven nice

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yeah yes why thank you amy those were

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truly the best season

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i had no i i really had no idea but yeah

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that was those are the uh

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i know i i've watched so many like you

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know

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these deep dives into like what killed

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the simpsons quote unquote and sort of

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like the shift in the tone of comedy and

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stuff and i'm like these are all

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these are all truths it is it is very

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interesting i mean as a as a writer i'm

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always interested in like how

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half hour comedies like that can be

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written in ways that are so layered like

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i

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the way we were um when the homer's

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recounting how they met and i've there's

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i found a joke the other day that i had

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never

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heard like recognized before where marge

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is burning her bra when she gets all

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into the feminist stuff in high school

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and it goes up in flames instantly and

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she says oh it must be the tissue paper

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i know like for some reason when i was a

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kid i thought that was because they were

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just made of cheap materials and i was

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like

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joke so i think that's the

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the beauty of those early seasons are

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like not only is it

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it's i love the painted cell look i love

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the way it looks but just like the

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jokes are so layered and everything was

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just so yeah

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yeah there's a lot of things that are so

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uh

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inside in a way that's hilarious because

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uh

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the writers bring a lot of their own

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personal

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uh things that they like that they'll

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get into the show as a joke and

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sometimes they can be so obscure because

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they too are

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just such they just absorb popular

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culture

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and they have so much uh knowledge with

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what they brought into their writing

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and you'll see stuff squeak through that

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it's just like it is

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so layered and i think that's what makes

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it enjoyable on

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reviewing them you know it's because uh

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you miss

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a lot off the surface view that's for

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sure

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even the backgrounds i mean the back for

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everything in the show

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there's usually nothing that's just kind

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of oh we need something there let's just

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put it

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i mean obviously if you're doing a

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background and there's trees and stuff

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you're gonna have trees but like the

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buildings and the signage and everything

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is

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so meticulously gone over and

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it's uh everything has to make yeah

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sign jokes are are strong on the

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simpsons yes

436
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nobody does it better than the simpsons

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they are ideal

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one of my favorites was a book entitled

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outing of the elves

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it was like so awesome

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yeah and you know one of the things that

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surprised me so much

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um when i learned more about the

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simpsons and how it's made and

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you know i guess i i picked this up when

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i came to visit you at the office

447
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dale um but just learning how and

448
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i'm sure this wasn't the way in the

449
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early days of the simpsons

450
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um but now i mean everything is so

451
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compartmentalized i guess it's separated

452
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there's there's somebody

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who creates like every little thing so

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you know there are

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character developers there are people

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who are backgrounds there are people who

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just do inanimate objects yes

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yes people just they're special

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specialties

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yeah yes the industry has always kind of

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been like that especially on these kind

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of shows

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um hold on a second um

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yeah it's been um ever since i can

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remember you have people that are just

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really good at drawing

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books and what we call props the

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inanimate objects that get moved around

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they have to be designed

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i've got to do a guy in a wheelchair so

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we've got like this whole

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wheelchair thing designed so i don't

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have to worry about that

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i just got to deal with the guy that

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goes in it kind of thing

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so that's how it's broken up you know

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character design

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prop design oh he's writing with a

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pencil and paper well someone has to

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draw what that pencil and paper

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is because there's a whole lot of things

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that go into that as simple as that is

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it has to go through color and color has

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to decide

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well what color is this pencil and is

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this

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pad of paper different colors on

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multiple sheets you know it's

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as you go like down the pad

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are we showing shadows you know all

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those things have to be like

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literally mapped out so that overseas

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and wherever we go with the show

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they know what to do you know it's like

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everything needs a blueprint

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yeah and so when did you come back to

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the show

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was it season 22

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uh let's see um

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it it was uh 2010.

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so what season was that i have no idea

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yeah i don't either to be honest i don't

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know yeah i

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uh there are so many seasons and what

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was it now

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31 is that the current season uh we're

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actually working on 32

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and yeah i guess yeah the premier just

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happened what a few

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so i have a question for you and it

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relates to the most recent treehouse of

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horror

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episode and i did not actually watch it

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but i was reading about it and i saw

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some images from it

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and you know it definitely made me think

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of you because

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correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you

519
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also do some work

520
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um with hanna-barbera in your career

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uh yes i did for those that remember

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that was a studio

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it was one of the greatest studios and

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oh for sure yeah

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yeah in the recent treehouse of horror

526
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i saw there's one of the

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one of the skits that is um

528
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one of the segments that is like many

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homers from different

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universes or something different

531
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realities like coming

532
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into one right don't a bunch of homers

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appear

534
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i think they're a bunch of different

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homers that somehow wind up together

536
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and a couple of them

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look like they're straight out of yogi

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bear they

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you know what there's one homer that

540
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looks like yogi bear

541
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there's one um it looks like huckleberry

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hound dog

543
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:42,240
yeah i mean we do obviously parody a lot

544
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of

545
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,360
uh other shows other styles

546
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,960
i think that's what's so great about our

547
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:50,880
couch gags too by the way because

548
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yes and we've we brought in

549
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,960
guest artists just to work on those

550
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:58,640
couch gags the opening

551
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,400
you know where the simpsons all run in

552
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and um say what

553
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um yeah we've even had we've had

554
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banksy we've had a lot of these

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different people do uh

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del toro you know even did one i mean

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it's just like

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fascinating from an art culture there's

559
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:21,600
just been some great stuff done that way

560
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:22,240
but yeah we

561
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,679
we do parody things all the time and

562
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there's always that squeezing through

563
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the legal issues but parody's parody

564
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,360
and you can as long as you can make it

565
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,679
clear that it's parody then then you can

566
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:37,440
do it you know it's uh

567
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,310
she's so amy i'm i'm going to move off

568
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,159
simpson's simpsons pretty soon so if you

569
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,600
want to ask any more simpsons question

570
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,960
go for it

571
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,400
i feel like the one question i want to

572
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,240
ask is of all of the

573
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:57,520
characters you've designed who was

574
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:05,909
um most fun you know what was the most

575
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,400
fun to do as far as a whole experience

576
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,360
was the characters for spinal tap

577
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:15,600
because we actually got to go to a hotel

578
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,159
and meet

579
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,640
all their the spinal tap that's nice

580
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,320
yeah and of course harry shearer

581
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,880
is uh often a voice anyway on the

582
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,159
simpsons

583
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,960
yeah but uh so that was uh overall fun

584
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,919
experience but

585
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,280
then the other one that's probably the

586
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,760
most one of the most earliest

587
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,000
in my career when i started at the

588
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:36,240
simpsons within the first

589
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
season we needed a news guy

590
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,200
we had that was just like we knew that

591
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:43,520
was going to keep coming up

592
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:47,919
and so um so i designed ken brockman

593
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,880
and uh that was fun just because i had

594
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,799
had a lot of free reign with that but it

595
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,960
i mean there's you know the script will

596
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:59,039
the script comes to us with descriptions

597
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,320
the writers have already

598
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,720
written uh you know a big jolly guy

599
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:03,360
comes up

600
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,440
or a drugged out druggie is

601
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,280
sitting in an alleyway you know whatever

602
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,200
they've described you know that's kind

603
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,200
of the starting point but then the

604
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,640
individual director of each episode

605
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,039
we have several we have about 910

606
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:21,440
directors and each one

607
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,280
takes on an episode for that season

608
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,080
and they have a lot of say in what they

609
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,280
want to do but once

610
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
they've kind of agreed what they want to

611
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:32,960
do then we're on our own to

612
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,640
proceed to design accordingly with

613
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,120
with no twitter i would often get and

614
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,720
back then brad bird if you

615
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,960
i'm sure you know who brad bird is was

616
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,679
one of the directors and

617
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,240
uh they would come by and just drop

618
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:50,400
little yellow post-its on my desk of

619
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,520
these

620
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,840
little scribbles of how about something

621
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,440
like this or that i mean that's

622
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,279
kind of we get this back and forth input

623
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,640
a lot but ken brockman it was like

624
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,760
i needed a newsman and in la at the time

625
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,360
there were several well first there was

626
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:07,840
a tv show uh

627
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:12,480
with uh it was mary tyler moore with um

628
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,760
ted knight uh that was the uh

629
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,880
blonde news guy uh

630
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,559
hilarious and then there was several

631
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,679
local la news guys

632
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:26,080
uh one was jerry dunphy and then there

633
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,799
was a hal

634
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,200
fishman i think and these guys all were

635
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:30,799
like had the same like

636
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,240
wavy white hair and

637
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,080
older guys and i don't know i just kind

638
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:38,799
of settled on that as inspiration

639
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,750
so that's yeah that's probably a good

640
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,840
one there

641
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,320
nice all right you may move on from

642
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,590
well you know i what are some other um

643
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:02,880
notable shows you've worked on you've

644
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760
worked on so many right i mean

645
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:07,679
didn't you work on he-man and she-ra i

646
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,600
mean those were iconic shows and

647
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,640
ghostbusters yeah those were like uh

648
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,640
right out of art school that was my

649
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,760
first thing was

650
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,799
that's awesome hannah barbera and um it

651
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,600
was kind of

652
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,640
uh exciting and

653
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,960
a little bit sad in a way because i feel

654
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,360
like they weren't

655
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,240
as popular at that point or something

656
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,080
you know i don't know it was a time of

657
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,600
change and shift

658
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,919
but they were still doing a lot of stuff

659
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,279
and um

660
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,880
but i grew up on you know all those

661
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,320
yogi bear and and quick draw mcgraw and

662
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
all that stuff

663
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,360
so you'd go to the halls of

664
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,000
hanna-barbera and they had these great

665
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,320
art pieces of all those characters and

666
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,440
it just

667
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,200
you felt like wow i'm walking down the

668
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,279
halls of memory lane and

669
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,960
just about everybody working there were

670
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,799
all from disney and stuff

671
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,159
like i don't know it was kind of like

672
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:06,640
they're some of these older guys were

673
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,200
all like

674
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:10,400
retiring in in hanna-barbera but still

675
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:10,799
doing

676
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,080
amazing things but uh yeah and then

677
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,919
when they did the e-man and shira that

678
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,720
was actually based on um

679
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,960
the combination i think of the work of

680
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,799
if you're familiar with illustrators

681
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:25,919
frank frazetta who is so

682
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,200
famous for the sword and sorcery

683
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,440
kind of look we have today almost i mean

684
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,440
he was such a pioneer

685
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,039
uh in art and uh what he did with that

686
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:39,039
whole genre of the sword and sorcery

687
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,000
thing

688
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,679
and then there was a commercial at the

689
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,840
time for jovan

690
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,880
like men's cologne or something

691
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:49,279
it was all this animated thing of this

692
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,159
sort of

693
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
rosetta inspired guy climbing this rock

694
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,120
and getting to the top and

695
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,200
shouting at the top you know raising his

696
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,960
fist and

697
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,559
and the studio's like oh let's go with

698
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,640
that and create a cartoon out of it and

699
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,159
that was supposed to be

700
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,520
amen nice i'll leave it up to you to

701
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,279
decide whether they achieved those

702
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,520
heights or not but uh

703
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,880
yeah it was pretty correct it makes

704
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:14,960
keypad seem so much less tough

705
00:27:21,530 --> 00:27:18,880
in my mind now it's just a clone based

706
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:23,909
[Laughter]

707
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,120
yeah interesting times yeah

708
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:30,480
but uh yeah uh but that uh yeah as you

709
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:30,799
say

710
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,720
rolled into uh shira and all of that

711
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,039
that stuff it's so funny when i see

712
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,279
these different resurgences of that show

713
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,159
you know like yeah an 80s version and i

714
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,919
think they tried to do it again and then

715
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,799
a few

716
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:47,760
live-action versions it's you just never

717
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,159
know

718
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,000
it's gonna still have life even though

719
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,399
you think like

720
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:55,200
but uh when i left uh hanover bear i

721
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,000
moved on

722
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,600
filmation and uh of course they're known

723
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,200
for fat albert and all these kind of

724
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,960
shows ghostbusters and

725
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,840
things but uh one of the shows they did

726
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:07,440
that i thought was really interesting

727
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:07,919
was

728
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,000
basically

729
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,520
cowboys in space so that was like the

730
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,000
coolest

731
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,360
show to design for i think we had

732
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,320
maybe two seasons of that you can google

733
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:24,080
it you'll find all the episodes but

734
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,279
it was the coolest thing because

735
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,679
everything was like cowboy gear and

736
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,760
everything and cowboy hats but with

737
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:30,799
antennas

738
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,240
and whatever normal thing they had

739
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
had tech stuff on it so like especially

740
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,000
the women with these long

741
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,960
coats with like sun bonnets but they

742
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,679
were like

743
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,919
solar sun bonnets and it was like the

744
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,200
most awesome

745
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,120
design for yeah we had space fairing

746
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,039
wagons you know i mean it was really a

747
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:54,960
great

748
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,559
design show so that was really a lot of

749
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,559
fun

750
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,600
you also worked on futurama right yeah

751
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,640
yeah i was brought in

752
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:09,760
um to uh start

753
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:14,399
creating futurama matt groening had a

754
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,880
little studio in culver city area and um

755
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,480
yeah there was like four or five of us

756
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,039
and we just went into a room and

757
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:25,279
and it was uh let's just start it was

758
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,320
the most

759
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,799
artsy artistic kind of beginning for a

760
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,799
show i think ever it was just

761
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,039
let's just start doing sketches and

762
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,960
putting them all out there on the floor

763
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,760
and

764
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,360
it was awesome that's another show

765
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,520
that's another show i think that you

766
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,120
know unfortunately

767
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,480
wasn't as you know well-received or as

768
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,600
popular

769
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,399
when it aired is you know i think it

770
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,840
really deserved to be

771
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,600
i mean i didn't know in the futurama

772
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:56,000
when it was actually airing because you

773
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,120
know

774
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,200
for whatever reason when i would see

775
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,720
their previews or whatever

776
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
it just didn't appeal to me which is

777
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,480
strange because i'm a total space guy

778
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:07,120
but uh you know i love that show and

779
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,159
yeah you know

780
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,640
it it just didn't didn't click with

781
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,080
people at the time

782
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,880
but that is such a great show yeah it

783
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,799
seems like the sleeper hit that like it

784
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,240
wasn't great at the time like

785
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,080
it wasn't well received at the time but

786
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,559
afterwards it's it's fantastic

787
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,480
so i guess it was ahead of its time dale

788
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,039
it was time

789
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,200
which is weird i i thought it would do

790
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
better too because it's

791
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,880
you know it's not the simpson characters

792
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:35,679
but it's the simpsons sensitivity

793
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,279
in space it's like of course what i mean

794
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,120
how can you do better than that you know

795
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:42,480
i mean

796
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,440
it was like yeah i i've always been

797
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:46,720
surprised that it didn't

798
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,240
quite have the same following as the

799
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,000
simpsons itself

800
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,799
um the premise was i just thought

801
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,159
hilarious

802
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,640
you know i mean from the get-go i mean

803
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,440
you have this

804
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,760
30-year-old year old paper boy or

805
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:02,960
whatever as

806
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,919
the main character in a way and uh i

807
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,679
don't know it's just and they're a

808
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,399
delivery ship i don't know whatever

809
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,200
they'd like dhl or something

810
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,120
but planet express yeah i mean it's

811
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,279
ridiculous it's a ridiculous premise and

812
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,799
i love it

813
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,399
and you've got a hodgepodge of

814
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:22,080
characters i mean you've got robots

815
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,039
you've got mutants

816
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,279
you've got aliens i know i know it's so

817
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:27,760
broad it's all so normal

818
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,960
yeah yeah it's like well

819
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,880
that's not the future that's today right

820
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,000
[Laughter]

821
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,880
yeah almost but no it was uh it was

822
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,679
really fun

823
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,200
doing that and um once the show got

824
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:45,200
going i did a little bit of freelance

825
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,080
here and there on

826
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,600
on some stuff with that but uh yeah my

827
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,720
main involvement has always uh been with

828
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:54,880
the simpsons but uh

829
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,919
i don't know why uh yeah why it didn't

830
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,360
do as well but uh who knows i mean

831
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,399
these things have a way of never quite

832
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,240
dying anyway you know there's a good fan

833
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,159
base who knows maybe somebody will find

834
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,080
a way to

835
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,960
keep it going again well you mentioned

836
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,320
you know your

837
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,360
how much fun you had designing stuff in

838
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,399
space

839
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,399
uh you got to work on futurama do you

840
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,559
get to do any of the space stuff

841
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,600
for the simpsons you know how much how

842
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,039
much leeway or or

843
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,480
you know how much

844
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,559
well here's here's in your power to like

845
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,240
be able to trust things when you know

846
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,840
certain aspects of an episode that

847
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:37,360
you're looking for because of your

848
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,840
interest

849
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,039
in space and aliens yeah well my

850
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,039
my interest in space and computer

851
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,120
animation which i was

852
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,840
vastly interested in from day one when

853
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:49,919
it became actually available to do

854
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,880
on a consumer level i mean i'd been

855
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,840
waiting

856
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:56,640
for computers to get to the point where

857
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:57,039
like

858
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:01,279
wow this can actually be useful

859
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,519
and uh let's see back in 94

860
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,200
i think um the omega computer came out

861
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,399
with such an awesome

862
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:13,519
3d program it was competing with max at

863
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,080
the time

864
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,000
for its art abilities and stuff but the

865
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,240
amiga was actually able to do

866
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,039
full-on ray trace rendering and nothing

867
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,480
else were awesome

868
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,399
yeah nothing was able to do that at that

869
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,840
time

870
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,039
and um we i immediately

871
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,159
glommed onto that and it was super user

872
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,440
friendly and that

873
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,519
taught me everything about uh 3d

874
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,120
animation so

875
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:39,679
in our episode back in i don't know what

876
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,480
episode it was

877
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,799
in the early first group there was homer

878
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:44,880
goes to space

879
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:48,480
um we needed homer riding up in a space

880
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,279
shuttle

881
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,760
so i actually brought in omega computers

882
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,399
into

883
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,600
the studio and uh amigo is one of the

884
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:58,080
first ones to do a cell shade

885
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:02,640
line thing on your animated sequences

886
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:06,799
and so i built out a uh a space shuttle

887
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,000
and uh rendered it with this uh

888
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,679
cell shade and we um we printed them out

889
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:16,159
like uh every frame so this whole thing

890
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,119
this whole

891
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:19,040
spaceship was you know coming up out of

892
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,159
the earth and all that

893
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,440
and doing this thing rotating and

894
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:26,480
we had this perfect thing you know all

895
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,040
done in

896
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,760
uh cell shade line work and then all

897
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,599
those printouts were sent over season

898
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,960
because we were still doing uh

899
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:36,079
cells at the time they just went over it

900
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:36,720
you know

901
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,839
and or just printed them out on these

902
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,720
xerox

903
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,320
that they're using and did the cell

904
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,560
painting and everything

905
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,119
and that's how they got done so we had

906
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,399
actual early

907
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,359
computer animation on the simpsons uh

908
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,119
because i brought in these amigas and i

909
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,639
was the only one that seemed to know

910
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:57,200
anything about it at that point

911
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,839
um so that was the amiga for the potato

912
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:03,520
chips

913
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:04,660
yes we did

914
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:08,880
[Laughter]

915
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,320
i have a question about this

916
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:15,040
thank you sorry the way you were just

917
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,000
describing that sounds

918
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,960
like maybe you helped design the

919
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:20,800
spacecraft that actually launches

920
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,400
in that episode uh

921
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,240
because i have been asked as a space

922
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,440
historian what

923
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,440
vehicle is it meant to be based on and

924
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,280
i'm like i don't know and people have

925
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:33,119
gone down the rabbit hole of like well

926
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,839
it's not quite

927
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,920
like it's not a shuttle but it's also

928
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,920
not dinosaur but it's not a dream chaser

929
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,920
so like

930
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,359
well i have a chance to get this

931
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,520
question answered yeah it was definitely

932
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,000
based

933
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,520
on the shuttle yeah but it's

934
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,520
cartoonized to the point where we

935
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,160
eliminate lots of details we simplify

936
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,240
things and we try to bring it into the

937
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,359
simpson universe as much as possible so

938
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,280
yeah the the main shuttle is what it

939
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,720
certainly was based on

940
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,280
and we took a few liberties obviously

941
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,599
yeah in the simplification but yeah at

942
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,839
the main shuttle so there you go okay

943
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,440
because i think i've even had people

944
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,880
suggest that it is an

945
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,400
air force design because the rocket

946
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,280
looks like a titan three

947
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,280
this is how much people get in the weeds

948
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,560
on this stuff so

949
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,200
fantastic i have an answer from someone

950
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,240
who worked on the episode now

951
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,079
no i don't remember the episode that

952
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,720
directly but if they showed the rocket

953
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,720
launching the shuttle that i don't

954
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,920
remember

955
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,960
and i don't know what they based that on

956
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,320
the rocket itself

957
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,359
you might be uh a better uh

958
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,520
uh have more knowledge on that than i do

959
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,200
with it i have to watch the episode

960
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,280
again there is an external shot i think

961
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,280
it does look like a titan three

962
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,480
but i yeah anyways i assumed i've all

963
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,599
people are always like what is it meant

964
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,280
to be i'm like i don't know a simpsons

965
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:55,040
version of a shuttle so i'm really glad

966
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:55,520
i was

967
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,640
that's exactly right right

968
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,800
the other two shows we use the computer

969
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,119
on in the same way was uh

970
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,920
when lisa goes to a theme park drips her

971
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,560
hand in the water and i guess somehow

972
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,400
gets it in her mouth or something and

973
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:13,359
and she goes into like uh it's like the

974
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:14,160
acid trip

975
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,760
yeah yeah yeah i saw the giant butterfly

976
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,720
thing yeah so we did the butterflies and

977
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,400
a few of those things in that

978
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,079
and the other time was when she grew an

979
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,480
alien civilization in a petri dish

980
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,880
yes the two that was one of my favorite

981
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,000
episodes actually

982
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,240
we just we designed it or built out all

983
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:34,000
the ships and everything and it was all

984
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,069
lutherans even though we're not talking

985
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,160
about the simpsons right now

986
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,520
that's right we're not talking about the

987
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,920
simpsons no but let's

988
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:50,079
let's transition to talk about talking

989
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:51,200
about uh

990
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:55,440
extraterrestrial life and ufos

991
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,280
because that is how i first met you dale

992
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:01,359
and i don't even remember how many years

993
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,320
ago that was

994
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,760
but uh you know at the time

995
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,240
you know i was uh co-producing and and

996
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,520
uh co-hosting

997
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,520
a podcast that that you were listening

998
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,040
to as well

999
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,800
about ufos and um i met you at

1000
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,079
a ufo conference that was happening in

1001
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:22,320
where was that was that orange county i

1002
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,119
think it was

1003
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,880
actually and it was irvine

1004
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,880
right yeah i think it was irvine yeah

1005
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:30,400
yeah so yeah

1006
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,240
there yeah yeah so that was that was

1007
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,320
awesome you and alejandro were

1008
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:39,359
there at the at the table yeah yep so

1009
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,599
uh yeah we've been bffs ever since

1010
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,079
dale and i have actually been been vegan

1011
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,359
uh you know for the same

1012
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:50,000
same amount of time our our spouses yeah

1013
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,880
yeah we all

1014
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,760
became vegan together uh yeah in in

1015
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,200
vegas i think

1016
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,440
probably in vegas i remember a great

1017
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,400
table

1018
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,560
talking uh to you guys and jess was

1019
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,359
talking about it and it's like

1020
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,400
why she went vegan and it's like yeah we

1021
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,839
care about all that stuff it took

1022
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,280
we didn't go vegan right then we were

1023
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,880
vegetarian but

1024
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,400
when we got home like i don't know how

1025
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:14,160
many weeks or months it was but it

1026
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,640
wasn't

1027
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,680
very long after it's like look we

1028
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,520
we know this stuff let's just stop

1029
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,599
supporting the destruction of the planet

1030
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:23,040
and everything else let's get on

1031
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,040
let's get on board here you know so yeah

1032
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,560
yeah we'll talk a little more about

1033
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,280
about vegan in a minute but um

1034
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:34,079
aliens so you know you and i had that

1035
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:34,640
shared

1036
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,280
it was rad to learn that

1037
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,040
a lot of your colleagues at the simpsons

1038
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,520
are also into ufos and we're also

1039
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,560
listening to your

1040
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,760
podcast yeah yeah you know that's super

1041
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,960
cool to hear

1042
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,480
but uh yeah man what uh what got you

1043
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,040
interested in in ufos and

1044
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,520
extraterrestrial life

1045
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,200
you know the funny thing is it's like

1046
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,720
growing up watching

1047
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,680
like the most awesome sci-fi movies

1048
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,599
through the 60s you know which are

1049
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:11,040
still my favorite i mean they're just so

1050
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,839
awesome

1051
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,000
we used this i used to sit and one of my

1052
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,319
dad's favorite shows

1053
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,200
on tv was the invaders i don't know if

1054
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,599
you remember that but that was like

1055
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,400
one of the coolest shows it was like the

1056
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,400
aliens came and they would take over

1057
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,480
your body and then you couldn't tell if

1058
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,920
they were aliens or not

1059
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,720
and there was one guy played by roy

1060
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:33,599
finn's

1061
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,359
actor and he he knew and he was always

1062
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,040
trying to like

1063
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,040
warn everybody and he's always on the

1064
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,040
run because the aliens knew he knew and

1065
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,480
they're like after him

1066
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,000
it was like such an awesome series so

1067
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:50,800
my feeling was like what young person

1068
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,280
isn't

1069
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,400
in the ufos and all of that stuff

1070
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,599
but i think what kind of made it more

1071
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:00,720
real is that i had a cousin in

1072
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,440
a group in michigan and my cousin

1073
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,440
we were at a big holiday celebration i

1074
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,119
think i was

1075
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,000
13 or 14 maybe i have a little older

1076
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,760
brother as well

1077
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,880
and uh out of the blue and and this is a

1078
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,839
very um

1079
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,760
conservative kind of guy with his family

1080
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,200
and everything and he was actually a

1081
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,800
principal at a school

1082
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,960
and was actually known as like one of

1083
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,160
the leading

1084
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:31,119
lincoln experts in the country at the

1085
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,440
time

1086
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,200
i even had him come into a talk at my

1087
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,920
school for his lincoln knowledge but

1088
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,680
out of the blue he just starts telling

1089
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,960
us about

1090
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,680
yeah that day when his daughter who was

1091
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:43,200
eight at the time

1092
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,200
came running over to him he said dad dad

1093
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,200
what is this thing hovering over our

1094
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,880
house

1095
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
and he goes and opens the door and there

1096
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,640
is a 30-foot

1097
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,680
disc hovering over the road right in

1098
00:42:04,309 --> 00:41:59,760
front of their house

1099
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,870
i don't know and it made no noise

1100
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,040
and it just floated over the treetops

1101
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,640
and disappeared

1102
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,079
wow the next day his daughter

1103
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:20,000
went to school and he had to pick her up

1104
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:20,720
from school

1105
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,640
she was in tears she had been thoroughly

1106
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,200
humiliated

1107
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,839
and i think the teacher even threatened

1108
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,200
to

1109
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,440
suspend her or something for telling

1110
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,839
this wild stupid story

1111
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,319
yeah she assumed that everybody must

1112
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,760
have known because it was

1113
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:40,319
so bizarre and obvious and big right in

1114
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,040
your face

1115
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,160
and and as he described it when he saw

1116
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,760
it it was like

1117
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,240
it was so shiny it was reflecting the

1118
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,160
bot the street on the bottom of the

1119
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,240
thing

1120
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,240
and it's like and then me and my brother

1121
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,760
are like looking at each other our eyes

1122
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,599
are like this big you know like

1123
00:43:00,950 --> 00:43:00,000
what i mean we've never heard anything

1124
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,960
like this out of

1125
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,079
this cousin you know

1126
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,200
and uh so we we've been

1127
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,839
pretty much ufo nut heads ever since i

1128
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,800
mean

1129
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,720
when we got home i think i don't know

1130
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,079
when it was sometime

1131
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,280
later my brother was like he suddenly

1132
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:18,400
went into this

1133
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,560
action like from the uh uh

1134
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,319
movie close encounters when he's like

1135
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,839
tearing up the house and building that

1136
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,520
crazy thing my brother started ripping

1137
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,119
through the closets pulling all these

1138
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,400
hangers out

1139
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,359
building this giant frame and it's like

1140
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,640
i didn't even know what he was doing

1141
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,520
what are you doing

1142
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,359
i am building a light that's gonna

1143
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,280
attract the aliens like

1144
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,720
okay whatever you say he pulled all the

1145
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,280
hangers out built this great big thing

1146
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,599
covered in tinfoil put a light bulb in

1147
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,960
went out in the garage

1148
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,880
hammered a standing i mean it was like

1149
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,720
unbelievable all in one day he

1150
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,079
rolls out this crazy handmade spotlight

1151
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,680
and shines it out oops i just unplugged

1152
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,960
myself

1153
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,640
but uh i think you could still hear me

1154
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:07,440
yeah we hear you so we didn't get any

1155
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,000
aliens

1156
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,119
that day but we did get kids from like

1157
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,720
miles away oh my god riding up to our

1158
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,640
house

1159
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,040
what is that man i could see that like

1160
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,240
forever

1161
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,880
it's like what my brother was this way

1162
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:23,359
he's

1163
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,280
man he has a penchant for creating or

1164
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,160
building actual things and then of

1165
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,440
course we had to do the

1166
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:34,400
in the back of the comic book wait what

1167
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:34,880
i can

1168
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,319
order a ufo it said right there

1169
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,240
just like the nuclear submarine they

1170
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,520
advertised you know so

1171
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:44,800
we sent off for the ufo yeah

1172
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,319
and it came and sure enough we

1173
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,119
we had it all spread out it was it was

1174
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:52,560
not what i expected it was like this

1175
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,960
huge

1176
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,680
tissue paper thing but again my brother

1177
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,200
had it all laid out on the

1178
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,400
uh basement floor not like marge's bra

1179
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,920
pretty much like margaritaville made out

1180
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,119
of the same material had the same effect

1181
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,560
actually but

1182
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,160
built this whole thing took it out into

1183
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,920
our backyard then and basically you've

1184
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,040
created this big

1185
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,400
tissue paper hot air balloon but it has

1186
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,720
these spots on it to look like a ufo and

1187
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:17,520
everything

1188
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,119
and so he built a little furnace thing

1189
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,560
and uh we got ladders out we're holding

1190
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:26,079
the thing up and we're putting it over

1191
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,200
this furnace thing

1192
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,760
sure enough man it just like expanded i

1193
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,240
was like oh my god this thing really

1194
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,440
works

1195
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,760
and we had like the neighbor kids all

1196
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,000
lining up along the fences there and

1197
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,280
everything

1198
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:42,079
the thing goes up and one little ember

1199
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:42,880
goes up

1200
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,400
and whoosh the whole thing just

1201
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,880
bursts into place oh my god so we have

1202
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,079
this giant

1203
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,040
burning sun in the middle of our yard

1204
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,400
pretty much

1205
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,720
threatening to uh light the whole

1206
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,640
neighborhood on fire

1207
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,800
luckily you know i've almost done that

1208
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,760
because i have

1209
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,839
you know done done tests you know as a

1210
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:05,599
responsible ufo

1211
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,200
researcher i've done tests with

1212
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,680
with sky lancers which chinese lanterns

1213
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,480
because

1214
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,680
those do prompt a lot of ufo reports

1215
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:18,720
and to properly educate myself

1216
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,560
i you know decided i needed to learn

1217
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,000
what these things look like how they

1218
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
behave um you know

1219
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,560
when they're just taking off what they

1220
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,760
look like in the sky

1221
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,040
what they look like when you use

1222
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,800
different colored lanterns how that

1223
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,319
changes the appearance

1224
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,880
um so i did a fair amount of testing

1225
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,599
with these but

1226
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,680
you know being in phoenix being in the

1227
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,160
middle of a desert you know

1228
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,960
it's it's not it's not very no nothing

1229
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,119
happened don't worry nothing happened

1230
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,400
don't light 500 acres on fire i was

1231
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,680
terrified that it would

1232
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,920
i mean these things are yeah wholly

1233
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,280
unresponsible

1234
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,200
for people setting these things off

1235
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,200
especially in desert places

1236
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,119
because these are these are just you

1237
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,960
know fuel cells that are floating around

1238
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,960
waiting to catch something on fire

1239
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,520
you know fuel cells with a paper balloon

1240
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:08,880
it's ridiculous

1241
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,720
um and we did have a almost mishap

1242
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,119
where we launched these launch these

1243
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,480
things they're they're going from like a

1244
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,440
backyard

1245
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,200
and one like sort of crashed into the

1246
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,280
neighbor's house it was like on their

1247
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,880
roof we're all oh no we're going to burn

1248
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,839
the neighbor's root

1249
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,359
neighbor's house down it's awful but

1250
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,559
you know not to mention these things

1251
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:30,079
just like drift and then they fall and

1252
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,960
then

1253
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,440
you're creating litter in the middle of

1254
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,480
wherever

1255
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,280
i mean right they're just terribly

1256
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,960
unresponsible for people to be

1257
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,440
lighting these things off but it was

1258
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,640
highly educational

1259
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,599
for sure yeah oh absolutely hey you're

1260
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:47,040
just doing your research

1261
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,040
that's right when it comes to chinese

1262
00:47:57,110 --> 00:47:54,079
exactly yeah

1263
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,120
nice well amy your um

1264
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,400
[Music]

1265
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,680
your interest in the history of

1266
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:04,079
of space is fascinating to me i mean

1267
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,880
it's really

1268
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,760
you don't get a lot of people that go

1269
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,200
into the detail and

1270
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,839
history the way you do as as a young

1271
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,599
person i think it's fascinating i feel

1272
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,200
like i should show off my little pete

1273
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,359
conrad action figure right here

1274
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,680
wow i don't know if he'll even show up

1275
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,520
but um it's a little bit bright under

1276
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,119
these lights but he actually has the

1277
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,640
like

1278
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,880
can't shield it it's actually him with a

1279
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,079
little gap tooth and everything

1280
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,040
wow my cat who is currently sleeping is

1281
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,119
also named pete conrad so it's very

1282
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,720
fitting

1283
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,839
oh by the way you have the most enormous

1284
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,920
cat i've ever seen

1285
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:42,880
[Laughter]

1286
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,599
those pictures you post i'm like oh my

1287
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:47,280
god how big is

1288
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,280
pete's a big boy sleeping or outside to

1289
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,480
lure him up he's 13 pounds of cat

1290
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,480
he does not get treats every day he gets

1291
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,160
treats maybe twice a week so it's not

1292
00:49:02,790 --> 00:48:59,040
the treats

1293
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,800
he's just big and i'm very small

1294
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,559
so between the two of us we're just like

1295
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,559
extremes of species

1296
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,760
and then you put them together and we

1297
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:09,920
both just look real weird

1298
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,910
i'm glad yeah pete pete's definitely the

1299
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,000
crowd pleaser i uh

1300
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,000
i regret one of my biggest regrets in

1301
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,319
life is when i adopted pete he had two

1302
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,160
brothers that were also up for adoption

1303
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:25,839
and i should have gotten all three of

1304
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,160
them

1305
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,440
crew of apollo 12

1306
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,000
and built them a little moonscape and

1307
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,920
some little spacecraft models and let

1308
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,960
them run rampant

1309
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,240
filmed it and then i would be a

1310
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,400
zillionaire by now because the internet

1311
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:39,839
is made of cats

1312
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,880
um but at the time my then boyfriend and

1313
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,400
i couldn't take on

1314
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,349
um sadly i i missed out on becoming

1315
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,920
becoming rich and famous well based on

1316
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,880
that's a perfect

1317
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,920
perfect segue right there to start

1318
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,559
start talking about animals and uh yes

1319
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:01,680
dale we've we've

1320
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,880
been fortunate to be joined by by your

1321
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,079
bird there

1322
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:09,359
um amy i don't know if you know this

1323
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:13,599
but dale and his wife had

1324
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,040
a bird who was a

1325
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,640
much more famous youtuber than you um

1326
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,680
in the early days of youtube and

1327
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:26,079
who was your bird a legitimate youtube

1328
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,040
celebrity

1329
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:30,400
yes and this was mr whisley and mr

1330
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,119
wesley

1331
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,240
was famous for having sex

1332
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:37,280
on youtube and then whistling

1333
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:47,829
he would whistle whistle while you work

1334
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,720
after having sex all right oh my god

1335
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,119
oh my god so tell me you're gonna you're

1336
00:51:20,630 --> 00:50:59,200
gonna splice in a little

1337
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,230
i just gave the overview but tell us a

1338
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:23,680
little little about uh

1339
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,960
mr whisley who is no longer with us yes

1340
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,119
unfortunately miss well first we'll

1341
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:31,040
start with buddha girl this is her right

1342
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:31,760
here

1343
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:37,680
and the way we got buddha girl

1344
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:40,240
she just fell out of the sky one day

1345
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,280
literally

1346
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:43,920
my wife was uh in the living room and

1347
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,359
just saw this bird flutter down

1348
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,200
outside the windows and looked out and

1349
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,200
fell literally right into one of our

1350
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,599
cat's mouth

1351
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:56,880
and this cat was uh oh my god

1352
00:52:00,710 --> 00:52:00,240
yeah and the cat itself was like she was

1353
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,720
very

1354
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,200
old and crotchety and couldn't run or

1355
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,000
jump so this

1356
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,160
bird literally had to just land right

1357
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,520
there

1358
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,359
so pam ran out my wife and

1359
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,720
was like let go of that bird to the cat

1360
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,000
we got a bag or a box put the bird

1361
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,400
in and i'd heard all these stories that

1362
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,520
well once

1363
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,079
they've been touched by an animal or i

1364
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,760
don't know we had all these here we knew

1365
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:27,680
nothing about birds

1366
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,200
but we got the bird out and um

1367
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:34,319
went to a uh took him to a vet a bird

1368
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,200
vet

1369
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,680
and um the bird climbed right up on the

1370
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,280
guy's shoulder and he said oh

1371
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,240
this is somebody's bird obviously

1372
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:43,760
because he's very

1373
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,160
very familiar with just being on people

1374
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:50,480
and so just put signs out around your

1375
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,280
neighborhood

1376
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,200
and see who lost a bird but it was

1377
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,800
strange to me because the wings were

1378
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,000
kind of clipped

1379
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,240
i don't know how she got up somewhere to

1380
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,640
be able to fall down somewhere but

1381
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,240
so that's how we acquired a bird we're

1382
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,920
going to get a home for but after the

1383
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,200
second day it's like

1384
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,280
okay we've got a home for you know like

1385
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,800
we have not no idea what to do with

1386
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,920
birds

1387
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,079
but we learned pretty quickly uh if we

1388
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,760
left the room she'd screech bloody

1389
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,440
murder so we realized we had to get her

1390
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:16,640
a buddy so we went

1391
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,640
and found a person that was advertising

1392
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,599
that they had a few cockatiels

1393
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,760
and one of the ones we picked out was mr

1394
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:26,800
whisley because

1395
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,319
actually mr whisley uh picked

1396
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,400
her out or us out i had buddha gorilla

1397
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,160
we named her buddha girl because of the

1398
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,520
time we were

1399
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,880
doing a lot of meditation trying to

1400
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,640
get ourselves centered and everything

1401
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,160
else and buddha girl

1402
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,079
and this bird fell and were alive so of

1403
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,400
course that's buddha girl

1404
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,440
but uh we went to get this uh her a

1405
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,119
buddy so that we could at least leave

1406
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,240
the house without her freaking out

1407
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,319
and we've had her on my shoulder and we

1408
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,000
picked this little yellow guy

1409
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:01,359
up uh who we later named this rusty put

1410
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,480
him on this shoulder he went right

1411
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,559
around and started doing cat calls to

1412
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,280
her

1413
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,520
and we knew right away it was a match

1414
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:09,040
made in heaven

1415
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,280
so those two became quite a pair

1416
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:16,079
and uh so mr whisley made his debut on

1417
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,359
tv by

1418
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,920
having sex with her and then launching

1419
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:20,800
into the

1420
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:24,079
disney tune whistle while you work and

1421
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,119
you know i don't know if you can call

1422
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,040
that work or not but he was definitely

1423
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:29,760
whistling and uh

1424
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,880
we actually got a deal with it a warning

1425
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:34,720
from youtube saying we're not supposed

1426
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,119
to be

1427
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,480
using copyright against cos

1428
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,640
oh no it's not even it wasn't the bird

1429
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,319
sex that gave you the warning from

1430
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,240
youtube it was the song music

1431
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,799
of course disney music oh my god that's

1432
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,359
really

1433
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,480
funny yeah yeah but it's transformative

1434
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,799
it's your own rendition of the song come

1435
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,400
on that's totally fair

1436
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,480
the bird's rendition and i must say she

1437
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,640
did pretty he did pretty good but

1438
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:01,040
well and this was many years ago and

1439
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,160
yeah their their

1440
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,079
their copyrights uh you know they

1441
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,839
weren't quite up to speed where they are

1442
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,799
today

1443
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,559
that was literally about 10 years ago

1444
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,200
now which blows my mind i cannot believe

1445
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:12,400
it's been that long

1446
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,920
so if you go to youtube and you google

1447
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,319
uh cockatiel whistles whistle while you

1448
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,480
work while having sex uh

1449
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,520
most likely you will find that video

1450
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,680
yeah he was featured he was featured

1451
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:28,559
like the news did a report on it right i

1452
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,880
mean

1453
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,599
it wasn't he was a legitimate celebrity

1454
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,640
yeah well we even got called from uh a

1455
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,799
show in england that does a similar like

1456
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,480
crazy youtube video thing

1457
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:40,160
they actually came to our house and did

1458
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,520
an interview

1459
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,440
and then they did a sequence on their

1460
00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:44,720
own show

1461
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,520
where they did a a pr uh kind of a

1462
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,839
pre-like

1463
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:51,920
live-action bit before they showed the

1464
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:54,480
clip and on the live-action bit the host

1465
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,160
is in a bed uh wearing a bird costume

1466
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:59,920
you know with another person and they're

1467
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,640
all like

1468
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,680
canoodling or whatever oh excuse me i

1469
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,280
mean it was nuts it was just so

1470
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:08,799
goofy and dumb but uh yeah i uh

1471
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:11,839
i was blown away it went to like 500 000

1472
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,200
hits within a month or two wow

1473
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,880
and then uh it eventually broke a

1474
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,480
million hits

1475
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,880
but he also did uh did like star wars

1476
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:22,720
right he did some star wars

1477
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,839
music he did uh he did do star wars

1478
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:26,720
theme

1479
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,079
else

1480
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,240
uh a number of other things but uh

1481
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,000
whistle while your work is his

1482
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:36,720
for sure his famous thing he was such a

1483
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,440
cutie

1484
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,440
um how many how many birds do you have

1485
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:41,119
now

1486
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,400
and three canaries and they

1487
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
all love hanging out in each other's

1488
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:52,319
cages so it's kind of funny

1489
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,520
nice that's really cute yeah and

1490
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:58,640
to to put pete to shame

1491
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,480
tell amy about your your other cats

1492
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,960
your raccoons your raccoons yeah you

1493
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,520
have raccoons

1494
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,319
well they have us i think we we have a

1495
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,160
sun room that we built because

1496
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,000
i have cats and of course i'm allergic

1497
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,599
to cats so

1498
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,280
one of us had to move out of the house

1499
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,200
so we figured let's build a sun room and

1500
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,720
the cats can live in there and there's

1501
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,160
couches and all kinds of things

1502
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,920
i thought for a second it was gonna be

1503
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:25,680
i'm allergic to cats one of us has to

1504
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,000
leave

1505
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,160
so i've moved into the sun room yeah

1506
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,319
the sun room is actually pretty nice so

1507
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,720
i i wouldn't mind actually

1508
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:37,200
it's a pretty cool little setup uh but

1509
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,920
there's a

1510
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,920
cat door obviously in the bottom and um

1511
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,040
a lot of our cats

1512
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,359
we don't have an enclosed yard but we

1513
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,359
have large fence all around but they can

1514
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,520
jump out and they do

1515
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,599
but uh over the years we've had

1516
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:50,960
different cats in there

1517
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:55,680
and um so uh yeah we've got uh

1518
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,400
what six cats see one two three four

1519
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,079
five uh the last cat i'd say

1520
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,559
our oldest cat who was about 19 years

1521
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:07,839
old she

1522
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:10,640
crossed over about a couple of months

1523
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:11,040
ago

1524
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,000
the room was going to be empty

1525
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,359
when she crossed but before she crossed

1526
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,920
some neighborhood mother cat jumped in

1527
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,680
our yard and we'd been watching her this

1528
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,520
was like

1529
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,599
actually uh i'm sorry the the 14 year

1530
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:29,599
old died several years ago

1531
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,119
but uh the mother cat jumped in her yard

1532
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,839
and deposited five babies in our yard oh

1533
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,200
wow

1534
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,839
one or two uh yeah and we didn't know

1535
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,559
what to do

1536
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,839
i mean here they are and they if you

1537
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,359
looked at them they would scatter they

1538
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,280
were so feral

1539
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,599
and uh over the years though uh that

1540
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,799
we've had

1541
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,920
these parallel cats uh they're they've

1542
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,440
acclimated to us quite a bit

1543
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:58,240
they all come into the sun room now uh

1544
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,200
one of them we did

1545
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,599
lose i think was hit or something and

1546
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,040
another one

1547
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,200
sort of wandered away because again we

1548
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,720
can't really

1549
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,480
we don't have an enclosure and we can't

1550
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:10,559
keep them in the house

1551
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,400
so we've got let's see mama cat and

1552
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,599
one two three of her babies so four of

1553
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:18,799
them

1554
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:22,720
and just recently we picked up a rescue

1555
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,960
of a really old cat that was left out

1556
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,559
people that were feeding and were moving

1557
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,599
away and they're just going to leave

1558
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,680
this cat in the street

1559
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,400
it was horrible so they brought him over

1560
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,359
and

1561
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,799
else so

1562
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,119
we got her back to health and we've

1563
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,040
actually been giving her cbd oil and

1564
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,760
it's been amazing transformation she's

1565
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,599
awesome

1566
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:50,240
so we have her and then somebody else

1567
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,440
was

1568
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,240
calling us uh this happens and we try to

1569
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:56,160
keep the lid on it to some degree but

1570
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,079
you know we're suckers for rescue so

1571
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:03,280
so uh we ended up with uh four

1572
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,640
more rescues wow

1573
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,680
two of which stayed

1574
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,599
two others were spooked and i don't know

1575
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:13,440
where they went and then last night we

1576
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,000
saw one

1577
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,599
of those two that ran off come back

1578
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,839
so now we've got the three so let's see

1579
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:22,160
four so now we've got about seven cats

1580
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,640
that

1581
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,200
fight it out in the cat room as to who

1582
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,640
gets to sleep where

1583
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:29,680
and um but the raccoons win vying over

1584
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:33,920
the sunspot yeah where the the continue

1585
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,960
we have so many questions and for a

1586
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,040
while we are also getting possums

1587
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,640
we would get it's like i live out in the

1588
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,319
middle of the boonies but we're

1589
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,200
you know in subdivision van nuys and we

1590
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:47,760
get these raccoons so we name them all

1591
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:50,799
bandit whenever they come in oh bandits

1592
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,520
in

1593
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,680
and they come out abandoned they are

1594
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,440
amazing they just

1595
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,200
they eat with their little hands out of

1596
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:59,440
the bowl and they always look at you

1597
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,319
like

1598
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:03,119
i'm just stealing a little bit of this

1599
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,760
food

1600
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,720
don't pay attention raccoons are so cute

1601
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,040
and it's so gross but they're so cute

1602
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,799
it's so cute at dale's house being able

1603
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,480
to watch them you know because you can

1604
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,839
see into the sun room

1605
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,200
and they're just there in their room

1606
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,799
they know you're there they don't care

1607
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:17,440
yeah they're like

1608
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:20,880
i'm here yeah this is cash open that

1609
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,280
door

1610
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,400
then it's like okay but otherwise

1611
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:27,040
uh hey i'm cool and then they look at

1612
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,240
what the cats do

1613
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,480
to get attention or food and sometimes

1614
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,640
they will imitate that like

1615
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,799
one of our cats climbs up on the glass

1616
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,480
windows you know to the house

1617
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,599
and that's like feed me sign you know

1618
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,920
so the raccoon started doing that and it

1619
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,280
was like unbelievable

1620
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,280
like how did you learn to do that and

1621
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:47,280
then they just go and roll around on the

1622
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,400
floor like i live in here

1623
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,200
it's like no you're a raccoon you belong

1624
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,960
outside

1625
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,039
but the thing that's most annoying about

1626
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,640
them is they get on our roof

1627
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,960
and they run around in the middle and it

1628
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,799
sounds literally like grown

1629
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,200
men wrestling on a roof yeah it's like

1630
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:09,839
oh my god please stop

1631
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:12,960
so yeah and now we have something

1632
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,440
that's so specific too is what's really

1633
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,760
funny

1634
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,200
not like it's not like a large thing

1635
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:21,280
moving it's two grown men wrestling on

1636
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,079
the roof

1637
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,000
oh yeah yeah it just feels like that

1638
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,510
like what is it it makes more noise than

1639
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,400
you would expect a raccoon should make

1640
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,119
i mean i know they're big but and they

1641
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,400
squeeze through a very

1642
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,079
little cat door which is the weirdest

1643
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,240
thing too they just like

1644
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,599
i feel like and then they're there's a

1645
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:43,359
lot of fluff there

1646
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,839
it must be like 80 fluff or something

1647
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,119
because the cat door is not that big it

1648
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:51,440
was not made for like a big animal you

1649
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,760
know

1650
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,280
the cat door we didn't put it in for

1651
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:55,119
dogs or something but they squeeze

1652
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,920
through that

1653
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,319
cats are magic man yeah and we always

1654
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:59,760
know they've been in because they leave

1655
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:00,000
an

1656
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:02,000
absolute mess it's so funny because

1657
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,520
they're the one animal that

1658
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,760
washes their hands and does all this

1659
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,720
stuff

1660
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,440
and they leave a literal mess everywhere

1661
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:10,559
it's crazy

1662
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,599
i'm sure it gives them great joy too oh

1663
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:16,000
for sure yeah oh look at all this nice

1664
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,589
and the thing is the other cats they

1665
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:23,760
just kind of like sit around and like

1666
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,950
and they just watch why the raccoons are

1667
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,880
dicks and make a mess

1668
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,559
that's right now of course they could be

1669
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,520
aliens in raccoon bodies for all we know

1670
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,960
they probably are they've got masks on

1671
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,240
you wouldn't be able to tell there you

1672
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:41,680
go that's true we don't know who they

1673
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:42,480
are

1674
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:45,760
yeah yeah well dale i

1675
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,960
we have been able to explore um you know

1676
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,079
several

1677
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,319
awesome vegan restaurants in la together

1678
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:53,920
so i want to ask you

1679
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,119
um about your favorite

1680
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,240
vegan restaurants in l.a or vegan bars

1681
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:02,240
too i mean la's got some awesome vegan

1682
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,039
bars

1683
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:05,440
well it did before the pandemic well

1684
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,400
that's true

1685
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,599
just

1686
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,480
at a distance now yeah i don't know i'm

1687
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,240
sure some aren't going to survive yeah i

1688
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,160
know i know

1689
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:18,720
uh well we recently went to crossroads

1690
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,359
right

1691
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,359
crossroads is doing great yeah

1692
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:22,960
crossroads amy have you ever been to

1693
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,599
crossroads

1694
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:26,400
i have not i haven't used my list of

1695
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:26,720
things

1696
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:30,000
like either so and it's perfect for our

1697
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,400
show

1698
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,559
because it's it's co-owned by travis

1699
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,400
barker from blink 182

1700
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:37,760
so yeah isn't it i didn't know that

1701
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:44,630
or one of the main uh you know financers

1702
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,119
um

1703
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,880
investors but i think he's also a

1704
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:48,799
co-owner yeah

1705
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:52,160
wow cool yeah i i knew that uh moby had

1706
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:53,119
an interest in it

1707
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:56,799
yeah yeah and he's got his own

1708
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,839
restaurant out here too um little

1709
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,039
pineapple i knew moby had

1710
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,599
his own restaurant yeah he's got a

1711
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:04,799
little pine yeah

1712
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,920
yeah so so amy what what part of the

1713
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:09,119
country are you in are you

1714
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,799
uh i'm i'm also in l.a oh okay

1715
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:15,359
yeah uh well then you've got to try go

1716
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:15,839
to

1717
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,559
crossroads they've got a great outdoor

1718
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,079
awning thing they're doing

1719
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,319
yeah we are just there for brunch they

1720
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,640
have an awesome brunch

1721
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,200
uh and it's crossroads is kind of a

1722
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,799
higher end restaurant too

1723
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,119
it was actually voted a few years ago as

1724
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:32,640
one of la's

1725
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,599
top like top 10 restaurants period

1726
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,799
regardless of uh

1727
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,400
oh not vegan restaurants just

1728
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:40,400
restaurants right yeah nice

1729
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,119
yeah i mean fancy really good yeah yeah

1730
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:45,839
that's a it's our fancy place and uh

1731
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,799
they they do an awesome kale cell that

1732
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:50,319
for people that don't like kale you

1733
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:50,960
gotta try

1734
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,240
this kale salad because it is kale gets

1735
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,309
delicious like i i hated tofu because

1736
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:02,319
you know i would buy tofu and try to do

1737
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,440
things with tofu

1738
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,039
what is this this is some white mushy

1739
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,119
thing who would eat this is disgusting

1740
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,960
but if you go somewhere that does tofu

1741
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:10,480
right yeah they can do amazing things

1742
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,960
with it

1743
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,480
same thing with kale it took me a long

1744
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,240
time to warm up to kale yeah but if you

1745
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,640
do kale right you can do magic with it

1746
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:19,039
oh yeah well the way crossroads handles

1747
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,240
it is awesome

1748
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:22,960
so i'd say crossroads is this top on the

1749
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:23,359
list

1750
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,000
our other one is a vegan italian oh my

1751
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,599
god in santa monica

1752
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,359
on santa monica boulevard i haven't been

1753
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,880
there either oh

1754
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,640
piravita we were just there the other

1755
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:34,960
night too never even heard of it

1756
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,960
yeah pura vida and uh full on italian

1757
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,680
the owner

1758
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,880
is also uh chef chef tara give a shout

1759
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,599
out to her

1760
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,720
she's awesome she brought her all her

1761
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:47,359
family

1762
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,960
rest uh recipes to veganize and no

1763
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,160
that's awesome place has been

1764
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,799
kicking but it's it's amazing to me some

1765
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:56,720
of these places that are doing so well

1766
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,440
during cove ed times you know not just

1767
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:00,720
with the take out but

1768
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,160
they've now figured out a decent outside

1769
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,000
with protections and masks and

1770
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:07,760
everything else and it's it's been great

1771
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,160
i've

1772
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:11,200
felt really good about it uh we were

1773
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,079
just there

1774
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,440
not too long ago too um yeah

1775
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:18,160
those two are fantastic we've got a lot

1776
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,680
of awesome uh

1777
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,520
vegan burger places popping up

1778
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:22,720
everywhere

1779
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,680
that are doing great but uh you guys

1780
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,680
about bars i know i know there are some

1781
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,079
some i think la has some purely vegan

1782
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:32,240
bars but i mean they have other bars too

1783
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:32,960
that are just

1784
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:36,000
vegan friendly um yeah some of my

1785
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:36,960
favorites

1786
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,920
are our uh uh mohawk bend mohawk bend

1787
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,680
has some good vegans yeah and they have

1788
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,079
amazing cocktails their cocktails are so

1789
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,039
good yeah yeah tony's darts is tony's

1790
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:48,640
darts still around

1791
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,319
they are yeah they're still there um

1792
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,799
i have haven't been there in a while but

1793
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:56,480
yeah but that's uh yeah that's in

1794
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,440
burbank

1795
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,920
um yeah no they're still doing doing

1796
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,640
their thing i

1797
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:03,039
i saw people there the other day when i

1798
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:04,480
was passing by

1799
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:07,760
uh my my favorite all vegan bar though

1800
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,599
was a beelmans in downtown l.a

1801
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,640
and uh it was a full bar and

1802
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,759
all vegan food menu and they were

1803
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:18,480
awesome

1804
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,000
and uh i haven't i went to their webpage

1805
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,719
and i tried calling the phone number and

1806
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,239
it wasn't working and that was well

1807
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:27,600
that's not a good sign

1808
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:30,640
not a good sign so i don't know why

1809
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,040
because they did have food they and they

1810
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,359
did have an outdoor little patio thing

1811
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,199
so i don't know

1812
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,199
they may be still happening i have to

1813
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,880
check it out but that would be a

1814
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:42,400
disappointment if they went away but

1815
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:45,199
the other one was modern times uh their

1816
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:46,480
downtown

1817
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:49,920
la area yep wait you just said was

1818
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,440
is it gone the omens

1819
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,040
no no modern times no modern times

1820
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:58,799
yeah no they're still there yeah cuz i

1821
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,679
haven't like been out of my city since

1822
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,440
march so i actually have no idea what's

1823
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,679
going on in the rest of la

1824
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,520
what city are you in exactly i'm in

1825
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:09,839
pasadena oh okay

1826
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,600
pasadena's got some great stuff um

1827
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,679
ah let's see i don't know what's vegan

1828
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,279
up here because i don't

1829
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,440
i don't hunt vegan but i know there's

1830
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,120
places with really good vegan

1831
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,799
options no go go to sage

1832
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,199
i've been to sage oh sage is good yeah

1833
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:29,279
that sage is great yeah it is it's true

1834
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:30,159
it's all vegan

1835
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,520
i kind of forget because there's another

1836
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:33,199
one it's not down to i forget where the

1837
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,880
other sage is but i've been to the other

1838
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:36,480
stage i've ordered from the one that's

1839
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,040
near me

1840
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,440
actually i've been there too yeah the

1841
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,279
buffalo cauliflower is always

1842
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,319
the ghost they're awesome the one near

1843
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,000
you is actually one of my favorite

1844
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,159
locations they have oh nice uh

1845
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,440
they also have one in culver city

1846
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:54,159
and um see where else i think there's

1847
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,440
another location

1848
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,280
the culver city one that i've been to as

1849
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,880
well

1850
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,960
yeah they actually have a one out like

1851
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,080
out westlake

1852
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,800
direction that's west of all of us here

1853
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:05,840
but uh

1854
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,239
yeah no they're great their culver city

1855
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:10,000
one is great they have a huge outdoor

1856
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:11,840
area they've always had that

1857
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:15,520
and um oh man you got a place i always

1858
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:16,000
love going

1859
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,080
with dale and his wife pam is uh shojin

1860
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:23,280
shojin is a sushi place most fantastic

1861
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:24,159
vegan soup

1862
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,480
amazing sushi yeah they they do all

1863
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,159
their their menu is huge and they they

1864
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,840
do all the like you know

1865
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,679
fake fish and stuff it's interesting

1866
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,440
yeah oh yeah and they do it

1867
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,480
so well it's i've only had vegan sushi

1868
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,760
once

1869
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:42,400
and it was in vegas of all places i have

1870
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:43,120
a

1871
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,520
you here

1872
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,440
i think it's just called chef kenny's

1873
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,719
asian vegan yes

1874
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,199
it is yeah chef kenny's yeah it's one of

1875
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:01,040
the best vegan places in vegas i've

1876
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,000
never been but

1877
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,080
yeah it's awesome it is it's because

1878
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,679
it's off the strip and you have to take

1879
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:07,199
an uber there it's like in a little

1880
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,640
strip mall you would never know it

1881
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,760
unless you

1882
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:12,080
go to vegas with vegans i think i think

1883
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,800
actually

1884
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,480
um yeah i remember one year for

1885
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,480
christmas jason i gave you guys vegan

1886
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,880
doughnuts

1887
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,520
yeah that was pizza that would mean food

1888
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,199
vegas is an amazing

1889
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:25,679
amazing city for vegans and it continues

1890
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,800
growing i mean

1891
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,880
even in pandemic times there have been a

1892
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:30,159
couple of restaurants that have opened

1893
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:30,960
there

1894
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,239
um but they i mean i mean they're

1895
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:35,679
people in las vegas are called lost

1896
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,080
vegans and now it's got a double meaning

1897
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:40,640
because it's just such an incredible

1898
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:47,270
yeah yeah and uh we always stay at the

1899
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:47,600
win

1900
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,840
hotels because every restaurant is

1901
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:51,360
required every restaurant has a vegan

1902
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:51,840
menu

1903
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:54,640
yeah and they have some awesome stuff

1904
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,280
there

1905
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,880
in different restaurants they have a

1906
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,560
place we go for breakfast i forgot the

1907
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,640
name of it but it's sort of a

1908
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,719
restaurant coffee shop i think man the

1909
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:03,920
pancakes they had this like

1910
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,040
giant vegan pancake things like uh to

1911
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,280
die for

1912
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,400
damn it i want to go there now

1913
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,400
we all miss vegas so much i can't just

1914
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,159
go to vegas

1915
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:18,400
i've actually never even been inside the

1916
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,199
wind

1917
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,640
um it's my my cousin used to work do uh

1918
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,000
have trade shows out there a lot and

1919
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,920
they'd always stay at the win oh yeah

1920
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,840
i've still never been inside one of

1921
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,199
these days i will just

1922
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,800
suck it up and stay there i guess that's

1923
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,040
one thing we haven't done in vegas amy

1924
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:35,040
and that is really just never done

1925
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,320
stroll down the strip

1926
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,400
and like pop into all the properties i

1927
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,400
mean that's like a biggest thing but we

1928
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,520
haven't done that i know

1929
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,960
they've been very i've done bits and

1930
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,280
pieces we do we end up location base

1931
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,880
we're like there for a show and we go to

1932
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:48,159
the same hole in the wall

1933
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,840
vegan option restaurants every time

1934
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:54,880
we take a lift to frankie's or yeah i

1935
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,199
mean

1936
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,280
yes yeah we haven't i know what we're

1937
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,600
doing you guys are there

1938
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:02,560
we've uh some of the good vegan places

1939
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,040
are

1940
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,040
off the strip too but i know it's always

1941
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,040
hard to get you guys off

1942
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,880
off the strip because of it's always a

1943
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:10,000
convention thing so there's always

1944
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,880
something going on

1945
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,640
it's hard to just break away because

1946
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,159
you're doing an interview

1947
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,679
or you're doing something else you know

1948
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:17,760
but there's some really good stuff off

1949
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,000
this

1950
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,320
trip too but there's great stuff off the

1951
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,159
strip but mostly i mean we stay on the

1952
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,679
strip because there's so much on the

1953
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,520
strip too i mean it's very easy i really

1954
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:26,800
just walked to it so

1955
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,199
yeah and i have to say those when those

1956
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,600
rooms you can get deals there that are

1957
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,960
mind-blowing i mean

1958
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,040
i keep getting like these offers from

1959
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,800
them and you get these

1960
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,000
king whatever sweets with these oh my

1961
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:42,640
god with these like 20th floor views of

1962
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,440
the strip

1963
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,679
and it's like i just want to move in and

1964
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,520
live here you know

1965
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,120
they're so awesome yeah i mean vegas

1966
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,960
deals are easy to find they're all

1967
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,360
all the time and right now they're just

1968
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,440
insane and it's not fair

1969
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,560
because obviously they want everybody to

1970
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,320
go to vegas and now

1971
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:03,760
you can't go to vegas um but the deals

1972
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,960
are just ridiculous and

1973
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:08,320
i mean yeah we go back in normal times

1974
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,600
we go all the time and

1975
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,679
you know you look and you can find you

1976
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,520
know jacuzzi suites

1977
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:16,320
that are you know cheaper than you know

1978
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,520
a lot of the regular

1979
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,640
rooms that are being sold um i mean

1980
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:22,640
vegas is just amazing for that for for

1981
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:22,960
us

1982
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,440
and cheap you know not so much for

1983
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:28,960
people on the east coast but yeah

1984
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,800
for us i mean we fly

1985
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,800
just because you saved so much time i

1986
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:37,040
mean yeah yeah it's like an hour flight

1987
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:40,239
you know less than an hour yeah so

1988
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:41,920
you know it's a piece of cake and thanks

1989
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:44,640
to the new airline jsx

1990
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,600
i love jsx because it's essentially

1991
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,360
flying on a private plane

1992
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:51,440
you you go to like the private terminal

1993
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,480
you don't have to go through

1994
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,960
tsa security you go to the private

1995
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,679
terminal

1996
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,239
20 minutes before your flight and you

1997
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,080
walk on the airplane

1998
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:03,280
and only like everywhere or

1999
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,520
it's burbank it's in burbank you can fly

2000
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:09,040
from bur i think it's in burbank you can

2001
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:10,400
fly from burbank to la

2002
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:13,920
to to vegas that's really it um

2003
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,640
they're a short hop airline because that

2004
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:17,760
allows them to stay

2005
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,800
under faa regulations and whatever to

2006
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:21,840
keep things cheap

2007
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,880
so from phoenix um i can fly to vegas

2008
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,679
i can fly i think i can fly to burbank i

2009
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,679
can fly to orange county i know that

2010
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:32,400
um not to san diego yet but they're

2011
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:33,120
they're working on

2012
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,640
expanding their where they go they fly

2013
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,159
to oakland too but

2014
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,000
yeah they just have this these these few

2015
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:40,480
places they fly in the southwest

2016
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:43,440
but you go to the private terminal you

2017
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,080
only have to

2018
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,719
arrive 20 minutes before your flight you

2019
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:48,480
don't go through security

2020
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,760
you board the plane you get free drinks

2021
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,199
on the plane

2022
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,840
um you know only 20 people are on the

2023
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,440
plane so it's a great thing right now

2024
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,199
especially pandemic times

2025
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,440
because you know fewer people you're not

2026
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,880
going through the airport you're just

2027
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,640
going to the private terminal

2028
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,239
and you know they spread people out they

2029
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:08,159
require mass all that but you get you

2030
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,199
get free drinks

2031
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,120
uh no security 20 minutes before the

2032
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:12,880
flight it's great and in vegas it's

2033
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,440
great

2034
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,360
because they land at the private

2035
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,960
terminal and dale you'll love this it's

2036
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,400
like right next to where the janet

2037
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,880
airlines are that fly to area 51.

2038
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,560
so you get to be like right next to the

2039
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,040
area area 51

2040
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,239
but when you go out from that terminal

2041
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:29,679
you know you just get off the plane walk

2042
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:31,280
right out of the terminal and get your

2043
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,159
lift

2044
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:35,280
it's like really five minutes to get

2045
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,679
over

2046
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,679
to like the uh the luxor if you're

2047
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,960
staying right there on the south end of

2048
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,080
the strip

2049
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,159
so it's just a straight shot down this

2050
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,760
one street and you're already there so

2051
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:44,880
there's like

2052
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,000
so much so so much less time spent you

2053
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:49,840
know with the travel and the waiting

2054
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,239
at the airport oh yeah so so because

2055
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,600
that's an option that's

2056
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,920
primarily what we do if you were to

2057
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,440
drive it's not a bad

2058
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,800
bad thing either it's like four and a

2059
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:00,560
half hours for us five four and a half

2060
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,600
five hours yeah

2061
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:03,920
so that's easy to see how you drive yeah

2062
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,550
yeah yeah i actually love the drive to

2063
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,080
be honest

2064
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,719
it's a beautiful drive you both do

2065
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,520
that's weird you guys are weird

2066
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,679
you just get this this desert i like to

2067
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,320
maximize my vegas time i don't know

2068
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,320
i know but part of it for me is like i

2069
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,520
like getting into the

2070
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,080
like it gives me four hours of just this

2071
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:29,760
like a beautiful scenery i can just like

2072
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,000
chill

2073
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,880
out music and just like transition from

2074
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,920
work mode

2075
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:36,159
life mode into like when i'm on vacation

2076
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,040
now and like

2077
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,880
there's there's so many there's my

2078
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,400
favorite spot on that drive is

2079
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,239
right before the border of nevada you're

2080
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:44,000
kind of up and then there's like a downs

2081
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,360
yeah

2082
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,800
just everything and there's like that

2083
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,719
solar uh

2084
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,960
solar factory or solar farm there that's

2085
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,159
a silver and i just love

2086
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:55,040
it yeah and i love these suns that are

2087
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,080
like glowing and

2088
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,000
yes yeah what they so interesting to

2089
01:18:00,630 --> 01:18:00,080
look at it is apparently i looked it up

2090
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,640
once

2091
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,440
um that they harness the the energy so

2092
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:05,199
all of the sun hits those mirrors and

2093
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,159
those mirrors hit

2094
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,840
that thing which like harnesses all the

2095
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,239
energy and does some magic that i don't

2096
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,280
remember but

2097
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,040
that's compelling and i love that i'm

2098
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,120
sure that's right you see the order

2099
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:17,040
yeah definitely aliens because like the

2100
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,400
town of prim is like

2101
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,679
there's nothing there's nothing and then

2102
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:22,239
there's like the two massive casinos

2103
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,080
that pop up and it's just like

2104
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,400
and i'm in nevada like it's always

2105
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,920
really funny but there's this

2106
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,760
it's a beautiful vantage point coming up

2107
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:31,120
over the hill like

2108
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,880
that's always the bathroom break for me

2109
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:34,640
it's like yeah okay yeah

2110
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,560
i always i stop it from him another

2111
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,800
that's that one also i get gas and prim

2112
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,159
every time so i don't have to get gas

2113
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,159
on the way out of vegas because if i

2114
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:46,159
fill up in prim i can get home on that

2115
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,199
same tank of cash

2116
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:50,000
sure yeah now have you ever been to area

2117
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,360
51

2118
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:54,800
i have not have you yes

2119
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,960
three times i think it was serious it's

2120
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:58,800
been three times

2121
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,040
yeah i thought i told you all of that

2122
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,880
wow three times

2123
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,199
i've never been to area 51 actually i

2124
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:06,880
didn't think civilians could

2125
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:10,159
go well you don't actually go to area 51

2126
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:11,280
but you go out there you're going to

2127
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,920
give a shot

2128
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,520
you're right it's like you go to the

2129
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,280
land it's like come on here's the

2130
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:17,280
no yeah you go to the gate it's a rachel

2131
01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:18,640
yeah it's a

2132
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,400
but you go to rachel which is this

2133
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,280
spielbergian little

2134
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,640
micro town outside with this little bar

2135
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:29,920
the raid the little alien yep and

2136
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:33,679
it's just ah it's just so

2137
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,719
character wise as an artist person it's

2138
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:37,840
just like you just

2139
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:41,040
i could just stay there you know but i

2140
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:41,760
had

2141
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:45,520
an experience with talking to bob lazar

2142
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,080
at the bar at little alien and one of

2143
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:49,440
the first

2144
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,040
sort of conventiony things that they did

2145
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:55,280
there when lazar

2146
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,560
was coming out with the story he was

2147
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,719
being slammed already and ready to

2148
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,320
pretty much just say i'm done with this

2149
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:05,280
nonsense was that the early 90s

2150
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:09,440
80s uh late 80s um

2151
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:13,840
88 89 87 look it up i'm not sure

2152
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,440
but it was in the yeah the very late 80s

2153
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,920
and i heard he was going to be there and

2154
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,120
my feeling was

2155
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,120
the only way to know whether his story

2156
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,199
is true and this is my

2157
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:26,719
approach to any of this stuff i got to

2158
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,120
meet the person because i really think

2159
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:32,320
i have good bs radar

2160
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,000
for people and uh i'm gonna go check it

2161
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,600
out and i'm gonna sit there and i'm

2162
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,840
gonna meet him one way or the other

2163
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:42,800
so uh a buddy of mine who was his way

2164
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:46,560
into all of this stuff um

2165
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,600
uh ralph mccarran who uh does a lot of

2166
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,920
uh local kind of researching stuff and

2167
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:53,360
helps run the local move

2168
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:57,199
on stuff he had this whole van rigged

2169
01:21:02,709 --> 01:20:57,760
out with

2170
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:02,719
uh squawk boxes and all kinds of stuff

2171
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,000
so we got in this van and uh

2172
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,040
we went out and did a ufo

2173
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,400
area 51 tour uh

2174
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:14,480
and uh back in the day and yeah i went

2175
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:16,639
to the little alien there was bob lazar

2176
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:17,199
and

2177
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,520
my bs radar said this is not the guy who

2178
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,040
makes stuff up he just

2179
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,360
doesn't give a [\h__\h] if you believe him

2180
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:28,400
or not

2181
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:32,719
and he's interested to a degree

2182
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,840
but you could tell he was like i just

2183
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,040
assumed

2184
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,199
go back and make stuff of my own or

2185
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:41,040
whatever i mean and that to me just was

2186
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,239
like

2187
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:44,080
no this is not the guy who's going to

2188
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:45,360
try to

2189
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:49,520
make some name for himself in the ufo

2190
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,560
world

2191
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,440
he really wanted to get his experience

2192
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,280
out and i really do to this day believe

2193
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,840
it was his experience

2194
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:59,840
no matter i know people have all their

2195
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,080
theories and everything else but

2196
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,199
to me he's a he's a he's a genuine deal

2197
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,440
yeah bob's a cool guy that was my my

2198
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:09,840
same impression too after meeting him

2199
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,719
that

2200
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:13,360
you know he's just he seems genuine you

2201
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:14,480
know and he's yeah

2202
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,840
yeah you know believe what he he says

2203
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,760
he's not not uh you know trying to

2204
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:21,040
fabricate anything not

2205
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:24,639
looking for attention um just a nerd who

2206
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,280
wants to go

2207
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,000
and yeah rocket engines on cars so and

2208
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:30,560
his story wasn't that the

2209
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,440
the blue beamies whatever came down and

2210
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,040
brought him to the council

2211
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,920
and right of the alien federation and

2212
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,800
all of that i mean

2213
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,520
he was just like nuts and bolts but this

2214
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,120
is what i saw this is

2215
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,040
all i'm going to tell you is what i know

2216
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:47,520
that i experience and even that i can't

2217
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:48,480
tell you

2218
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,080
like i was handed a book about what the

2219
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,719
government is saying they have

2220
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,639
but i don't know if it's true or not

2221
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,800
because it's just what they handed me so

2222
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,080
i'm going to tell you that i

2223
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,880
received this book but i can't verify

2224
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:04,560
that but i can tell you what i

2225
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,040
actually did witness and it was like

2226
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:11,920
believe me dude i i get i get it i don't

2227
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:12,800
need it anymore

2228
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,080
only reason we know that area 51

2229
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:18,639
exists is because of bob lazar pretty

2230
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,600
much

2231
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:21,679
unless we paid attention to that uh

2232
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,880
russian photo that

2233
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,440
snuck out somehow look you guys have the

2234
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,920
world's largest base here

2235
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,760
there are actually lots of documents out

2236
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,360
there um

2237
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,760
you know in the public sphere that

2238
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,840
mentioned area 51 that were like

2239
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:38,320
you know for they forgot to redact area

2240
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,199
51

2241
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,360
um including like descriptions on how to

2242
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,360
get to area 51 it's fascinating to

2243
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,600
dig into the documents yeah i mean the

2244
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,760
government for the longest time denied

2245
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,000
that area 51 actually existed but

2246
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,040
it's it's because of bob lazar

2247
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,679
and from klas journalist george knapp in

2248
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:56,880
las vegas

2249
01:24:00,790 --> 01:24:00,320
for revealing area 51 to the public it's

2250
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:00,800
awesome

2251
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:03,520
right we actually uh with ralph we

2252
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:04,239
actually made

2253
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:08,400
video we already knew that

2254
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,760
people had vid or photos of ufos and

2255
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:13,679
different things around area 51 and if

2256
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,480
you go to area uh the little alien

2257
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,600
half the wall is covered with um air

2258
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,560
force photos

2259
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,960
pilots and all that because it is nellis

2260
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,840
uh

2261
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,600
bombing range or whatever i mean it's

2262
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,679
the air force base so you have the guys

2263
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,960
coming in

2264
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,960
there for that so their pictures are up

2265
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,080
and the other side of the wall

2266
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,080
are all these like unexplained things

2267
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,480
ufos and everything else

2268
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,800
and uh it's just fascinating to go there

2269
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,080
i mean it's uh

2270
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,239
you got to see that stuff it's a great

2271
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,920
place for sky watching and i really want

2272
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,280
to do that one oh yeah

2273
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,679
nice when you're out there you go like

2274
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,920
this is why they put a base out here it

2275
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,120
is just

2276
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,679
nothing is out there i mean it is it's

2277
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,920
got this surreal beauty to it i mean i

2278
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,880
love it when i

2279
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:59,280
when we went out there with ralph uh i

2280
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:00,159
should uh

2281
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,840
say actually yeah there's a mountain

2282
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,600
there called uh that we named

2283
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,960
that has been named whitesides um

2284
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:09,440
which was kind of an overlook to the

2285
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,639
base

2286
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,159
we got up at four in the morning and

2287
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:13,679
climbed that thing

2288
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,960
and uh i don't think i've ever known you

2289
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:18,960
to get up at four in the morning

2290
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,629
it seems like a good time to do it if

2291
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,159
you're not to do it once

2292
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,840
yeah because you don't want to get

2293
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,000
caught even though you are technically

2294
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,400
we're on public lands they've been known

2295
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:34,000
to fly helicopters and then pull you

2296
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,120
right off there

2297
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,040
and then you get to spend several days

2298
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,360
in a jail somewhere

2299
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,360
and the camo dudes like to harass you as

2300
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,440
well oh yeah yeah

2301
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,840
so yeah early in the morning was what

2302
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:47,199
you wanted to do we wanted to be all the

2303
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,400
way up on that

2304
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:51,520
ridge before the sun actually came up

2305
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,920
i had a a cannon high eight and um

2306
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,920
after the climb i'm asthmatic so i was

2307
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,040
like

2308
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,040
20 feet from the rig and i just had to

2309
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,199
stop so my buddy uh

2310
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,080
grabbed my camera and he went up and uh

2311
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:08,159
he scanned the whole

2312
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,840
face and uh i think we are probably the

2313
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:12,960
last

2314
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:16,159
people to get a

2315
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:19,360
regular person's like video

2316
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:26,870
we put out a little video called what to

2317
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,159
see and do in area 51. it was kind of

2318
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,400
a humorous thing because we weren't

2319
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:34,880
going we who knows if if we got a ufo

2320
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,320
taking off of course that would be on

2321
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,239
the video but we figured

2322
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,040
uh it probably won't happen but who

2323
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,400
knows what will happen

2324
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,440
and uh so we did things like

2325
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,360
as you're passing the different cows and

2326
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,040
things on the side of the road

2327
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:51,440
you know here's the mailbox you know

2328
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,239
here's the

2329
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,400
bunches of nothing with the road going

2330
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,520
down the middle

2331
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,040
it was kind of funny it was kind of

2332
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:59,120
tongue-in-cheek but but then we did have

2333
01:27:05,990 --> 01:26:59,520
our

2334
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,000
we made more money suing people for

2335
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:07,600
stealing our footage than we did

2336
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,400
actually selling the videos

2337
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,120
we actually did which was crazy all

2338
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,199
these like known ufo research people

2339
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,800
that were putting out docs at the time

2340
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,880
it was rather disappointing to see that

2341
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,920
they

2342
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,920
literally would lift our footage off of

2343
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:24,400
uh it was at the time of vhs tape you

2344
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:24,800
know

2345
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:27,199
yeah and put it on their own and then

2346
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,840
they like

2347
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,840
like slow it down as if we wouldn't know

2348
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:31,280
that that's what they did you know

2349
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:34,960
yeah ralph is a film editor and stuff so

2350
01:27:38,890 --> 01:27:37,520
it's like uh what you don't think i can

2351
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,900
figure that out you know

2352
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:40,960
[Music]

2353
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,000
but it was interesting you gotta

2354
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,000
you should really go out there when i

2355
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,159
had uh the last convention we did i

2356
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,159
think it was um

2357
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:53,280
the last uh uh time in uh

2358
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,840
in phoenix actually it was 2016

2359
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,719
and a couple came up to my table as i

2360
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:03,440
was showing my artwork and stuff

2361
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,320
and this guy just went on to this

2362
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:08,239
explanation of how he and his wife were

2363
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:10,719
driving out at area 51 at like three in

2364
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,440
the morning

2365
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:12,880
as a wednesday night and they just

2366
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,080
stopped and they had a triangle

2367
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:19,040
hover over their car and i could tell he

2368
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,480
was probably telling the truth because

2369
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,719
the wife was started just shaking like

2370
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,280
she was stealing psd from it

2371
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:27,040
she couldn't even talk about the

2372
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,960
experience hardly

2373
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,400
and then he actually asked me would you

2374
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,320
think you could draw that and

2375
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,719
this and that and i said yeah well sure

2376
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,840
send me

2377
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,159
what you want to do i didn't hear from

2378
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:40,239
him again but it inspired me to do one

2379
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:41,520
of my

2380
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:44,320
later pieces of art that my lenticular

2381
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:44,960
piece that

2382
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:47,600
i know you've seen jason or have yes

2383
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,000
that's

2384
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,560
awesome and since you brought that up

2385
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:52,320
where where can people go to

2386
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:56,560
see your art and maybe purchase your art

2387
01:29:02,709 --> 01:28:59,600
uh well my in dire need of

2388
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,719
a horrible update is uh the artist

2389
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:05,040
is there for now but there's a lot more

2390
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:06,800
i need to add to but it's a

2391
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:10,480
dale hendrickson art and design

2392
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:13,360
dot com i just wanted to get the longest

2393
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,400
url you could

2394
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,960
possibly have yeah amy he's got this

2395
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:18,400
really cool piece that

2396
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,000
is a lenticular print that when you

2397
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:25,120
move the position of the art like the

2398
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:26,080
ufo

2399
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,600
appears and disappears oh cool

2400
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:31,280
it's really i need to look i need to

2401
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,719
look this up

2402
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,960
yeah it is on my website but it doesn't

2403
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:36,880
do justice of course to see them

2404
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:40,880
in person it's it's a um

2405
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,280
yeah it's this little particular process

2406
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:45,520
was really interesting to figure out and

2407
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:48,639
to learn about but you really got to

2408
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,120
have

2409
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,199
good lighting on it that's the trickiest

2410
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,040
thing i've been finding because it's

2411
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:56,159
it's literally a lens with

2412
01:30:03,189 --> 01:29:59,679
kind of like micro uh

2413
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,199
triangular cuts through it so that it

2414
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,040
in the way you position it to allow the

2415
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,600
two different images to come through

2416
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,440
is quite tricky and you got to be very

2417
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:11,840
precise but because it's

2418
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,639
the sort of lens light reflects on it in

2419
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:16,480
a weird way but if you get good lighting

2420
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:17,280
on it

2421
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:20,239
it's stunning i mean it just kind of

2422
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,679
glows i know at the

2423
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:23,520
convention when we did it in pasadena

2424
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,400
the alien con that was probably the best

2425
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,880
setup there was lights way up high so it

2426
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,239
was very diffused

2427
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:32,480
but it was bright enough so that it just

2428
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,239
lit up my piece in just a great way

2429
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,920
and uh i sold a bunch of those right

2430
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,600
away i even had a guy come up and say

2431
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:41,840
i just collect lenticulars it's like

2432
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,280
really weird

2433
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:45,120
there's somebody that does that that's

2434
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:46,560
interesting of course there is

2435
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:53,110
yeah that came out pretty cool but uh

2436
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:53,520
yeah

2437
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,719
area 51 we did see some crazy lights too

2438
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,920
we had a whole

2439
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,239
spielberg moment where we were on a

2440
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,520
ridge and

2441
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,199
you're looking at the constellations and

2442
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,280
then two of the stars started moving

2443
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,360
out of the constellation and flying all

2444
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,960
over like

2445
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,639
lost track of them and then they they

2446
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:12,560
just kind of come back and settle right

2447
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:13,360
in

2448
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:17,040
also a truck on a

2449
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:20,960
of of investigators or whatever just

2450
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:23,520
fellow people looking for stuff on a

2451
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,480
nearby ridge

2452
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:26,719
and they start honking and flashing

2453
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:28,000
their light like

2454
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,679
look like oh what are you doing yeah

2455
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,360
they're gonna get like arrested right

2456
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,679
then you know yep surprisingly nobody

2457
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,520
came up i don't know what happened but

2458
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,840
uh what a stupid thing to do it's like

2459
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,800
jesus

2460
01:31:44,229 --> 01:31:43,120
yeah exactly yeah well we'll have to

2461
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:44,239
we'll we'll have to get out there

2462
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,120
sometime together

2463
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,960
oh that's watching is fun and that's a

2464
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,639
perfect place for it

2465
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:51,840
well my my drink is gone dale

2466
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:54,560
so oh man you guys that's mine amy's is

2467
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:55,360
gone too

2468
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,320
so i think that means the show is over

2469
01:32:02,470 --> 01:32:00,239
yeah

2470
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:02,480
well do we have time for one more

2471
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:03,280
question

2472
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:06,639
um i wonder what amy's

2473
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:10,480
uh ufo interest or experience has been

2474
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:13,600
because you're so science-based yeah i

2475
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:14,159
think my

2476
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,080
my ufo interest is being friends with

2477
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:17,920
jason

2478
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:21,199
well he is a ufo i know

2479
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:23,679
no i think because jason and i met back

2480
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:24,400
in

2481
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:29,760
forget the name of the show that you

2482
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:31,840
were spacing out

2483
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:34,960
spacing it right that was it um and i

2484
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:35,440
was

2485
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:38,719
asked to come in and guest co-host

2486
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,520
because your host was out of town um and

2487
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,960
that was the first time i ever met

2488
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,120
somebody who very excitedly showed me a

2489
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:48,159
camera that once took a picture of a ufo

2490
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:50,159
didn't have the picture but the camera

2491
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:51,760
that had seen it and i was like this is

2492
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:52,800
a wild

2493
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,199
then it just kind of like from being

2494
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,560
friends with jason and kind of

2495
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:00,400
having people in that world i kind of

2496
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,639
got involved a little bit with people

2497
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,800
asking me about ufos and stuff and of

2498
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,800
course it's it's inevitably something

2499
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,159
that crosses into

2500
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,639
space so i'm constantly asked to talk

2501
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:12,880
about it about the history of area 51.

2502
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:15,199
so my way of coming to it is as the

2503
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:16,560
skeptic who

2504
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:18,320
you know if something is truly

2505
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:20,320
unexplained then that's very interesting

2506
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:22,080
and i want to find the answer to it but

2507
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,800
i also

2508
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:24,800
you know have done the history of area

2509
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:27,040
51 in terms of air force programs and

2510
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:28,480
cia programs and what's been

2511
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,760
declassified and

2512
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:31,520
you know matching flight logs that have

2513
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,280
been declassified with sightings and

2514
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,199
stuff so my my interest is

2515
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:37,600
is uh this sounds really bad but my

2516
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,239
interest is always in disproving it

2517
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:42,400
to show you what's really happening but

2518
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,840
you know at the same time if something

2519
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:45,440
can't be answered right away then like

2520
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:46,800
that's awesome because then it's still

2521
01:33:52,149 --> 01:33:48,880
very interesting and still a mystery so

2522
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:52,159
yeah right well actually i think the ufo

2523
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:52,960
community

2524
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:56,639
needs a person of your perspective

2525
01:34:03,990 --> 01:33:59,840
anyway because ideally

2526
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,000
we are about science not rumors not yeah

2527
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,040
not theories not uh explainable things

2528
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:10,159
and so many times you're right i mean

2529
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,719
99 of things are explainable and

2530
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,040
all of us who take this seriously or

2531
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:19,280
have had experiences or different things

2532
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:22,960
are so tired of you know somebody taking

2533
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:25,440
videos of flares and sending them ins

2534
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,560
like

2535
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,719
reflections on their own camera you know

2536
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,040
and all the other crazy things

2537
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,080
and one of my favorites yeah

2538
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,719
one of my favorite moments of refreshing

2539
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:38,639
yeah a view of ufo people who are

2540
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:41,760
desperate to find something um i was in

2541
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:43,760
a park i forget what park

2542
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,719
one of the big ones in anyways and there

2543
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,400
was a group of ufo watchers it was like

2544
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:49,840
a sunday afternoon and it was their

2545
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:51,520
group ufo watching and they were doing

2546
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,119
this whole thing about like

2547
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,800
you know the visitors and all this stuff

2548
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:56,320
and they all got really excited with

2549
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:56,960
something

2550
01:35:01,990 --> 01:35:00,080
reflective in the sky

2551
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:02,000
and they're all like we found a ufo

2552
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:03,280
you're here to see it because i'd

2553
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:04,400
wandered over to just look

2554
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:06,719
look at what was going on and i look

2555
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,520
over here

2556
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,080
and there's a quinceanera party going on

2557
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:12,480
and clearly one of the foil balloons had

2558
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:13,360
escaped

2559
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:14,639
and that's what was reflecting the

2560
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:16,000
sunlight and i just thought it was one

2561
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:18,639
of those maybe escaped

2562
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,800
a lot of those gatherings in la parks

2563
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:21,840
are done by

2564
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:24,719
people who call themselves ufo summoners

2565
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:25,600
and

2566
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,199
yes they're just they're just con people

2567
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,920
who do strategically launch balloons and

2568
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:33,520
get a bunch of people together

2569
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,080
and say look there's a ufo i called that

2570
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:38,159
ufo and it came and magically appeared

2571
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,040
right here for us

2572
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:41,440
right well that's what i always think is

2573
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:42,560
so interesting because there's the

2574
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:43,440
people who are

2575
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:45,520
so desperate for something to be real

2576
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:46,560
that they find

2577
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:49,840
something that's real um and i i like

2578
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,960
finding the real explanation to if

2579
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,880
something can't be explained let's

2580
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,320
learn more about it because they're i

2581
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,679
think ultimately at the end of the day

2582
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,880
all of these because i've done a lot of

2583
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,800
like talking head interviews for

2584
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:02,159
a bunch of shows that have you know

2585
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:04,080
unexplained things and

2586
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,440
i've seen some videos and i'm like i

2587
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,600
don't know and then i research it and

2588
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,360
i'm like oh this is actually a very cool

2589
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:11,440
atmospheric phenomenon or something so

2590
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,000
for me

2591
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:14,480
i like using it as a like as a way to

2592
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:16,000
get people excited about

2593
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,360
more tangible things yeah yeah

2594
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,320
no that's very cool and i think uh it's

2595
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,159
good i mean obviously you're

2596
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,639
open-minded but also taking that

2597
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,080
perspective

2598
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:30,000
and uh i think it's really valuable i

2599
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:31,280
also think it's valuable

2600
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:35,119
and when there is something that is so

2601
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:38,080
unique like uh the famous hole punch

2602
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:38,639
cloud

2603
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:42,639
new york uh airport uh ufo incident

2604
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:43,280
where

2605
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:47,280
you had all these eyewitnesses of a disc

2606
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,239
a silver metallic thing that poofed

2607
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:53,119
through the clouds and created

2608
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:56,560
literally a hole through the clouds

2609
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,920
the science debunking explanations to me

2610
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:02,480
need to be held to as high as standard

2611
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,080
as those reporting the ufo

2612
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:07,760
so it's kind of like well you can't

2613
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,239
claim it's an aerial phenomenon

2614
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,360
that has also never been seen that is i

2615
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,440
mean a a you know a natural phenomenon

2616
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:16,560
that has also

2617
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,880
never been experienced before that

2618
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,159
there's no data on

2619
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:22,400
and then it's only theoretical i hear

2620
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,800
that thrown out by the debunkers a lot

2621
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,560
and so i want to hold them to the same

2622
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,840
standard you know like

2623
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,000
well the whole punch cloud happens that

2624
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,760
x amount of atmosphere

2625
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,840
and height you know doesn't happen at

2626
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:35,760
this level of where this thing happened

2627
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,000
or

2628
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,080
similar things like that so i think it's

2629
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:40,000
good to have someone

2630
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,239
uh like yourself that has the open mind

2631
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:43,920
but it can also uh

2632
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:47,440
debunk the science too when it's misused

2633
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:47,760
to

2634
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:50,000
explain something you know yeah because

2635
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:50,880
that happens

2636
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,679
a lot uh i look at the i i'm sure you've

2637
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:54,719
looked at the recent

2638
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:58,400
uh tic tac whole experience with the

2639
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,360
pilots and everything and i don't know

2640
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,880
what your thoughts are on that but i

2641
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,880
find that pretty compelling stuff since

2642
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,639
it's obviously

2643
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:08,960
uh you have eyewitnesses you have ground

2644
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,199
radar plane radar everything else

2645
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,840
confirming from four or five different

2646
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:15,119
data points

2647
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,639
and it just defies explanation

2648
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,800
well it certainly does and dale we're

2649
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:22,239
we're out of drinks we've got to end the

2650
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,360
show yeah but we're looking

2651
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:25,440
all right we'll do another we'll do

2652
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,000
another ufo episode sometime

2653
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:30,320
yeah we'll have to bring you back just

2654
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:31,360
ufo talk

2655
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:33,119
we won't waste any time on you know the

2656
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,719
simpsons and stuff yeah we could talk

2657
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,760
about kodos and kang come on

2658
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:39,600
don't worry about it i voted for coke

2659
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:41,679
punk rock we didn't get to punk rock

2660
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,199
yeah we didn't even get to that

2661
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,040
we didn't get the [\h__\h] around second so

2662
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,119
that's our next time in episode two

2663
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,199
punk rock and ufos i like it those are

2664
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,600
my things sounds good

2665
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:54,239
all right man so great talking to you

2666
01:39:04,390 --> 01:38:56,840
more virtually hopefully we can meet